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Blu-ray Doesn’t Validate Your Console, Sony

November 2nd, 2008 by Derrick Schommer · 34 Comments

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Is Blu-ray dead? Tech Sites around the Net are calling it a “death spiral” and we’re now looking at the downfall of the winning high definition format. Many non-PS3 Blu-ray players are still in the USD $200.00 range, a bit high for mass market adopters, and people aren’t planning to run out and buy a Blu-Ray player in our economic slump.

What’s the market share of the Blu-ray product? Four Percent. Blu-ray and the PlayStation 3 have a lot of battle scares after the fight with HD-DVD to “win” the format war. In the end, Sony won the battle but the war was not with the HD-DVD format, it’s with the average Joe consumer.

Does this effect the PlayStation 3? One of the up sells of the PlayStation 3 was the Blu-ray capabilities, it games and it’s an entertainment device all-in-one. It’s a great deal right?

“The advent of low cost up-sampling DVD players dramatically cut the video quality advantage of Blu-ray DVDs. Suddenly, for $100, your average consumer can put good video on their HDTV using standard DVDs. When Blu-ray got started no one dreamed this would happen.” (zdnet)

The obstacles against the Blu-ray format are huge, especially with NetFlix coming to the Xbox 360, high definition download options and licensing costs on the Blu-ray to movie creators. Blu-ray won’t die in this generation of PlayStation 3 consoles but many folks, including Apple, are pausing to see if it has any chance at all to break into the industry.

Four percent just isn’t enough to inpsire confidence.

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  • 1 morganfellNo Gravatar // Nov 3, 2008 at 4:46 am

    Microsoft should up your paycheck. Then you can afford a source for you 4% claim. Here , I will give you a free one http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/09/25/blu-rays-market-share-has-almost-doubled-since-hd-dvds-demise/

    As of the end of September, however, sales had reached around $300 million, according to Variety sister pub Video Business.

    One Bluray disc, The Incredible Hulk, took almost 20% of the total DVD sales last week.

    By the way, Yahoo isn’t a techsite.

  • 2 VincNo Gravatar // Nov 3, 2008 at 5:01 am

    no offense, but what a valueless article. 4% market share of what?? including normal VCD/DVDs? most important questions is what is your point?

    Whilst i agree that DVD upscale is nice, its quality is still rubbish compared Blu Ray displayed on a good LCD TV. I think your article is baseless as you have mentioned NOTHING that will contribute to the demise of blu-ray.

  • 3 Derrick SchommerNo Gravatar // Nov 3, 2008 at 8:28 am

    None of these will contribute to the demise of blu-ray? Not even downloadable HD content?

    No offense taken. Everyone is intitled to their opinion Vinc.

  • 4 Derrick SchommerNo Gravatar // Nov 3, 2008 at 8:31 am

    Man, I wish Microsoft would send us a paycheck, that would be great!

    TECH.yahoo.com, isn’t a tech site? Sure seems they’re taking it into tech considering the site is called “Yahoo! Tech”

    You don’t have to agree, but claiming someone’s site which is obviously tech “is not” seems a bit silly. Stick with flaming me, leave Yahoo out of it :)

  • 5 Dave LynchNo Gravatar // Nov 3, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    You sir, have obviously not done your research correctly ( as mentionned before me ). You also must be mad to think that NetFlix is a threat or would reach mass adoption ANYTIME soon to Bluray.

  • 6 SpriggsNo Gravatar // Nov 3, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    You need to look at the bigger picture friend. You talk about digital downloads, but if BR is doing so bad, what percentage of movies are digital downloads? How would this work considering most of the world doesn’t have the infrastructure to support the amount of data a digital download would require. You also ignore the fact that in an average movie like Iron Man, 18% of all movies sold for that movie were BR.

    http://www.superherohype.com/news/ironmannews.php?id=7714

    I think really the only thing that’s holding BR back a bit is the pricing of the movies. They cost too much. But trust me on this. The Dark Knight sales will boost BR well beyond previous marks and will sell 1M easily. Oh, and for those interested, The Dark Knight on Amazon is ranked as the third best seller…. Oh and that’s BR, and not the DVD. ;)

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/dvd/ref=sv_d_3

  • 7 DickNo Gravatar // Nov 3, 2008 at 12:22 pm

    You say “tech sites” ando you show ONE site of yahoo. Very suspicious. Obviously you don’t praise for neutrality.

    Man, we are doom’d. We don’t have access to imparciality in media.

    Fanboyish is everywhere!!

    Blu ray bad! Sony Bad! Is the end of blu-ray!!

    Bulsh*t and more bulsh*t!!

  • 8 DarjeelingNo Gravatar // Nov 3, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    Derrick Schommer may I suggest that you actually try to address the link that morganfell postet…

    The link proves your whole point wrong. And it makes you seem rather silly, when you just try to avoid the topic…

  • 9 DanX71No Gravatar // Nov 3, 2008 at 12:56 pm

    Hard to give your article any credibility when you can’t get even qualify your posted statistics (i.e. where does the 4% come from?), especially in light of contradicting stats (i.e. http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/09/25/blu-rays-market-share-has-almost-doubled-since-hd-dvds-demise/).

    @edit: For the record, Zdnet doesn’t source their 4% stat either, and Robin has been wrong several times before.

  • 10 ESNo Gravatar // Nov 3, 2008 at 12:57 pm

    Gotta love sour grapes from MS and HD-DVD fans. Totally failing to factor in the % of homes that actually have an HDTV. An internet blog doesn’t validate your opinion Derrick. Despite the economic hardship I’d personally invest in some thicker glasses. Anyone’s who sees Blu cringes at the thought of going back to the eye cancer that is DVD.

  • 11 Derrick SchommerNo Gravatar // Nov 3, 2008 at 1:05 pm

    Never thought HD-DVD would take off either.

  • 12 AresNo Gravatar // Nov 3, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    I love how all the Sony fanboys are complaining; that makes me so happy inside. When they are pissed, my day gets better. Derrick put up an article with a very good point. So for those of you who can’t read an english article, (especially the guy who said what’s your point) he’s saying people don’t seem to want a system for its player. And he’s right. The PS3 is dead last. Welcome to the new consol generation you freaks! -Ares

  • 13 WWIINo Gravatar // Nov 3, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    Blu-ray is here to stay. Everyone wants one they’re just waiting for the price to get more affordable.

    Why downloadable HD content is not going to happen now? Well first you need the space, then you need the fast connection and it would surprise you how many people still have 56k connections. It would be impossible to have uncompressed sound with 1080p and special features at a decent bitrate because the space of the data would be so huge that who’s going to download a 10GB movie with a 512kps connection?

    Besides, it’s easier to pop in a blu-ray disk in a Blu-ray player than pay monthly for a fast connection, the movie service, the HDD if you wan to have the movie, and set all the things to enjoy the movie through your HD tv. You seem to forget that there’s a lot of people that don’t even know how to turn on a computer and they are going to prefer the standard way of using a player and go to a blockbuster to rent a movie.

    You mention the X360 and all this starts to sound like a console war here but you seem to forget (again) that the PS3 has a video store too where you can not only watch the movie but you can own it too so, sony is covering both bases in a better way than MS with its Netflix. And sony improved the console even more with the last update so you could watch movies from the video store of divx too, that equals two movie services now.

    BTW if MS believed so much in the Digital distribution why they supported so aggressively the HD-dvd? Why some X360 models don’t have HDD and why they are proprietary unlike the PS3 were you can use any HDD?

    MS is just using whatever tactic to maintain the war even and articles like yours are just helping them for free and that’s why many people say that you’re being paid by them.

    And remember that blu-ray is not only sony! Samsung makes blu-ray players and Panasonic too and there are PC manufactures like Dell that are supporting blu-ray and they have every movie studio too, so why fight against the tide?

    edit: Forgot to mention that my first language it’s not English so sorry for the bad grammar.

  • 14 B maximusNo Gravatar // Nov 3, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    I think blu-ray is dead because their is a better format created by the military going into production in early 2009. they say it can output resolutions of 1920p far superior to 1080p and they will be doing this on standard red laser technology so it will be cheaper for other companies to adopt, so take that Sony fanboys…

  • 15 JoshNo Gravatar // Nov 3, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    “None of these will contribute to the demise of blu-ray? Not even downloadable HD content? ”
    Have you been outside of your living room lately?
    Most of the world is not ready for downloadable content, especially not HD movies. Internet can be found the world over, but internet fast enough and cheap enough to support hd movie downloads cant even be found in some parts of the united states. Disc media is the only way to penetrate some areas of the world. And you dont buy an hdtv and then just upscale dvds. You get the bluray player that upscales your existing dvds and start buying bluray from that point on. Dont bother investing in the TV if you arent going to use it properly.

  • 16 AlymonNo Gravatar // Nov 3, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    I love it when bloggers site other bloggers as their legitimate “source”.

    Just because the URL says “tech.yahoo.com” doesn’t make it a “tech site” nor does it make it a primary and legitimate source for your argument. Both of your sources reference “blogs”.

    Additionally, your title of “Blu-ray Doesn’t Validate Your Console, Sony” doesn’t really summarize the content of your article. You discuss the potential difficulties that Blu-Ray faces and the market share of blu-ray. You mention the PS3 a couple times, but you never really address why blu-ray doesn’t “validate” the PS3. Considering the PS3 is the #1 selling Blu-Ray player, I’d say Blu-Ray does validate the PS3, regardless of how the PS3 is doing in the console wars.

    And if you want a source for that…. how about:
    http://tech.alymon.com/blog

    See what I did there?

  • 17 DarkieNo Gravatar // Nov 3, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    It was a big mistake the consumer made when he picked Bluray over HDDVD. Had HDDVD won, we would all have high def dvd players and they would all be state of the art, not just the ones inside game consoles.
    HD DVD was a fraction of the price, and because it was easier for studios to get films onto the format, we would have a LOT more movies available by now.

    Because Sony is greedy, the price of booray is still way too high, I am NOT paying 300 bux for a DVD player. And I dont think Im alone.

  • 18 StevenNo Gravatar // Nov 3, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    B maximus where do you get your info?
    1920 IS 1080 because the resolution is 1920 by 1080 width and height.
    Please refer to the link below for clarification on resolutions in a nice and easy to “read” picture!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:UHDV.svg

    As for your laser argument, it can be done with any laser color the issue is space on the physical media and a red laser just does not have the wavelength needed to cram the bit close together thus fitting more data on a disc.

    @Darkie, consumers did not make a mistake they made a very intelligent decision I am glad to see the public becoming a little more educated and not basing everything on price alone.
    Blu-ray has more space and a more future proof technology behind it.
    Blu-ray was built from the ground up (state-of-the-art) not only for movie but also for digital storage such as backups in the computer market. We do not need small incremental upgrades (HD-DVD NOT state-of-the-art) all the time, sometimes we need a complete overhaul. Let me clarify future proof, I believe TDK and Hitachi both have 100GB + Blu-ray disc working prototypes even on older Blu-ray drives, and I have even heard of a 1TB disc possible. As for it being easier for studios to get movies into the HD-DVD format, that claim is baseless because the video and audio “format” is the same on both HD-DVD and Blu-ray, however the added space on Blu-ray allows for high(er) quality audio and video as well as extra content such as portable copies.
    One last thing if you bought an HD DVD player you would be paying $300 for a DVD player. However, Blu-ray is NOT DVD in the traditional sense it is a Blu-ray Disc.

    Back on topic, I have a PS3 and a Sony KDL-52XBR5 1080p 24p HDTV and I can tell you I have made a believer out of everyone and anyone who has seen my rig.

    Digital download may work in other countries but in the USA were the average connection is Dial Up downloading is out of the question, besides no one will download an HD video they want it NOW so they want to stream it. To stream a decent HD stream would require 10Mbps internet connection. I do not see too many of those state side.
    Therefore, if we are talking regular Joe once people truly see a Blu-ray in action and the price get’s around $100 for a Blu-ray player or Sony can really sell the value of the PS3 we will not see much market penetration on Blu-ray.
    The battle is with price not with digital download/streaming, and the price war will be solved in time as the cost to manufacture comes down.
    I for one want a hard copy of the item I bought because DRM just sucks right now on digital downloads.
    Perfect example is the PS3 Video store.
    I will not use it, I cannot buy HD content and both SD and HD content is DRM’d to hell and back. Regular people will be frustrated when they cannot copy the video to their PSP or computer to watch it when they KNOW they could take a Blu-ray or DVD with them and watch it.

    I am full HD and I am not looking back! I love Blu-ray and I have more than done my part to support it by purchasing a PS3 and VAIO Notebook capable of Blu-ray reading and writing.

    Up scaling, is no match for true source material!
    Planet Earth Series on Blu-ray will make a believer out of anyone!

  • 19 DoughboyNo Gravatar // Nov 3, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    All I have to say is Sony helped establish the dvd format with the ps2 and you go back and check some articles how dvd would never make it and look what happened. I got a ps2 around launch for around $600( original ps2 was a horrible dvd player) so spent more to get a good one, plus at the time the media was much more per disc then blu-ray has been on avg. almost always 30+ dollars and it was impossible to get a dvd player for 200 bucks within the first two years of the format. blu is less then 2 years in and players are 200 bucks and not chinese made. It is a winning format and a huge step up in audio/visual quality and worth every penny. Now for people with 100’s of dvds lying around the ps3 is a great dvd player but to get the best upsampling go with toshiba’s xde players which I will admit is quite a feat and the closest i think dvd will get to hi-def. Other then that for the console battle all I can say is I have both ps3 and 360 the both excel in different areas but if I could only keep one hands down/ or could only buy one it would be the ps3. It does everything out of the box (no gouging and misleading adverts from m$. 199 arcade w/hdd and wireless/ net access = same as 80gb ps3 so be a good consumer and dont get hosed!). That price is before even adding blu-ray so if you look at it like that you are getting way more for you money and also a much better built/designed peice of equipment.

    As for downloadable media (netflix etc.) being the demise of blu-ray, that wont happen for 3 reasons(at least in the next 5 years) 1. download speeds are still to slow and most isp have caps on d/l bandwith so most people are paying if they go over 60 gb a month ( 1 uncompressed hd movie is min/avg 10 gb) 2. people like to own their media, or have something to show for their hard earned money ( the flip side is this are environmental waste issues and no stored media means no waste which is good and I agree with, so personally I’m on the fence with this one). 3. d/l movies at this point are no where near as good as blu-ray from both an audio and video stand point.
    As for blu ray not selling, i think enough people have replied to field that one, but what i personally think will be the kicker is december 9th when the dark knight comes out. It will be THE Movie to be seen in hi def and blu ray will be the best way to see that movie bar none!

  • 20 DarkieNo Gravatar // Nov 3, 2008 at 5:20 pm

    How is it a wise decision for a consumer to pay twice as much for a High Def player that is obsolete before he even buys it, takes twice the time to load movies before they can be watched, has arguably lower picture quality than HDDVD, and has moronic digital rights/licensing red tape and costs slowing the release of future titles.

    Consumers dont give a rats anus about how fresh a technology is if it does not work for them, and at a reasonable price. I know too many people who got bluray players early on who now hate Sony because half their movies did not play, the other half loaded mind bendingly slow, and their machines are obsolete because they could not upgrade due to the lack of a ethernet port.

    Sony released multiple updates to the format AFTER they sold a thousands of units that could not be upgraded via ethernet, the format was incomplete at launch! This behavior is just great for consumers, right?

  • 21 B maximusNo Gravatar // Nov 3, 2008 at 5:54 pm

    Steven, I didn’t make this up here you go

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    DreamStream to Encrypt Blu-ray Competitor

    DreamStream to employ military-grade encryption to secure Royal Digital Media’s new optical media format, which exceeds Blu-ray’s HD capabilities.
    DreamStream and RDM’s technologies align perfectly, as they both rest exponentially beyond the standards currently being employed
    RDM’s format will transform perceptions of high-definition
    RDM’s system is able to display the next generation of high-definition: 1920p. With this advancement in technology, true digital cinema will soon be a widespread reality.
    equal those of the traditional DVD format, greatly undercutting Blu-ray
    The mission of RDM is to replace traditional DVD technologies with a comprehensive, next generation HD system
    The industry’s problem, which Sony has been unable to solve with Blu-ray, is how to transition into HD without destroying the existing DVD industry or gouging the pocketbooks of consumers. We have the solution and can solve this without having to drastically overhaul the entire infrastructure of DVD production.
    at most, the simple replacement of a single chip
    drastically enhance the playback quality of regular DVD content
    Because of the extreme marketability of RDM’s technology, this deal is very valuable to DreamStream
    The projected value of this contract is more than $200 million over the next five years.

    Los Angeles (PRWEB) October 29, 2008 — DreamStream has signed on to encrypt Royal Digital Media’s new optical media format. The agreement will allow RDM to employ DreamStream’s military-strength encryption in the copyright protection of their high-definition discs.

    The deal marks the first time a military-grade encryption has been implemented in the copyright protection of commercial motion picture discs.

    “DreamStream and RDM’s technologies align perfectly, as they both rest exponentially beyond the standards currently being employed,” said DreamStream’s Chief Development Officer Ulf Diebel, in a statement issued at the signing in Paris.

    DreamStream is the first company to implement a 2,048-bit encryption in consumer media. AES encryption, used in Sony’s Blu-ray discs, relies on only a 128-bit system.

    In 2006, a hacker known as “Muslix64″ defeated Blu-ray’s encryption. Since that time, Sony’s system has been faced with continual security breaches and tremendous losses due to piracy.

    RDM has developed a high-definition system that exceeds the capabilities of Blu-ray. RDM’s technology offers storage capacity for up to 100 GB on a single disc. Blu-ray discs can only hold 50 GB of data. Due to RDM’s increase in storage capacity, their system is able to offer display qualities that greatly exceed conventional, 1080p, high-definition.

    “RDM’s format will transform perceptions of high-definition,” said Diebel. “RDM’s system is able to display the next generation of high-definition: 1920p. With this advancement in technology, true digital cinema will soon be a widespread reality.”

    For consumers, RDM’s increase in storage capacity allows for a single disc to hold approximately four hours of video content at 1920p resolution.

    Because RDM’s system is based on inexpensive red laser technology, their players are expected to sell for much less than Sony’s, which routinely sell for hundreds of dollars. The high price of Blu-ray players has been credited for the technology’s slow public reception.

    The retail prices for RDM’s players and discs are expected to “equal those of the traditional DVD format, greatly undercutting Blu-ray,” said Diebel.

    “The mission of RDM is to replace traditional DVD technologies with a comprehensive, next generation HD system,” said Eugene Levich, RDM’s chief executive officer. “The industry’s problem, which Sony has been unable to solve with Blu-ray, is how to transition into HD without destroying the existing DVD industry or gouging the pocketbooks of consumers. We have the solution and can solve this without having to drastically overhaul the entire infrastructure of DVD production.”

    RDM’s technology can be implemented into existing DVD production processes through the integration of a proprietary software and firmware system. The only potential hardware modification is, “at most, the simple replacement of a single chip,” said Levich. As such, existing DVD manufacturers will be able to integrate RDM’s technology with only minor modifications to their production processes.

    RDM’s players are backwards compatible and able to read traditional CDs and DVDs. Moreover, an innovation in data processing enables RDM’s players to “drastically enhance the playback quality of regular DVD content,” said Diebel.

    The incorporation of DreamStream’s encryption into RDM’s system will thwart the piracy of digital content. The content of RDM’s discs will only be able to be read by RDM’s players. Thus, ensuring that the content cannot be copied and illegally distributed.

    “Because of the extreme marketability of RDM’s technology, this deal is very valuable to DreamStream,” said Diebel. “The projected value of this contract is more than $200 million over the next five years.”

    RDM’s format is scheduled to become publically available by the beginning of 2009. Two retailers have already placed orders for the first run of RDM’s players. RDM is currently in negotiations to release their technology throughout Europe and Asia.

    DreamStream’s security capabilities are achieved through the use of their proprietary, 30-round, 2,048-bit European Encryption Solution (EES). More information on DreamStream can be found at http://www.dreamstream.info.

    ###

  • 22 oniNo Gravatar // Nov 3, 2008 at 5:59 pm

    Besides for the many good points brought up by the other comments above, I also wanted to point out that you ARE able to stream Netflix on the PS3 using a 3rd party program called “Playon.” And it’s available now.

    I’m also a bit confused as to what your point is with this article. It seems to just be a PS3/Sony-bashing article, using the assumed “death” of bluray as the blunt instrument.

    You cite things such as netflix streaming, dvd upscaling, digital downloads, and cost as reasons why bluray will die. But wait… PS3 is capable of all those things, AND it’s one of the cheapest bluray players available.

    This is an opinion article with barely any basis.

  • 23 MarkNo Gravatar // Nov 3, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    HD-DVD wasn’t cheaper. Blu-Ray and HD-DVD players have almost the same manufacturing cost. The reason why Toshiba HD-DVD players were priced lower at retail was because they were selling them at a loss to try and get a marketshare advantage over Blu-Ray. This is also why no one other than Toshiba bothered making stand-alone HD-DVD players. The market simply didnt want to pay $500 (a profitable price) for an inferior product.

    It was cheaper for publishers to produce HD-DVD discs than Blu-Ray discs but that didn’t stop them from charging consumers the same price for both. If you bought HD-DVDs the publishers made more money.

  • 24 I love Blu-RayNo Gravatar // Nov 3, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    your a douche….

    shitty article.

    You can’t get full HD Movies to keep…. mostly just to rent… still expensive… most ISPs cap you at so many gigs a month and charge you per gig that you go over….. Blu-rays are better quality and look wicked… you can get them for $20 a movie locally.. CDN or online.. just avoid major retailers… and F digital downloads… unless you torrent that shit.

  • 25 DoughboyNo Gravatar // Nov 3, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    Maximus B, There is a huge problem with your article about RDM there, its nice that they are getting res up to 1920p that’ssweet but who is going to watch it? Thats right no one because no one can afford the display to view a res like that properly, that and the fact that well done with a proper display the average human eye cannot see definition great then 1080p gives you anyway. Also North America has been fairly slow even moving into the HD era so all this talk about players runnig 1920p is really pointless. we are not even going to see a display at your local best buy or what ever for at least 3 years that will display a 1440p native res so I would say unless they use that tech in movie theatres to make it once again the place to go see movies( which would be amazing!) I am going to be nice and comfy on my couch with my ps3 and xbr4 enjoying hundreds of top notch blu ray movies!

  • 26 MichaelNo Gravatar // Nov 4, 2008 at 1:22 am

    Since when has PS3 been an “Invalid Console”?????

  • 27 BenNo Gravatar // Nov 4, 2008 at 3:26 am

    One thing you may not have bothered researching is the fact that people are buying into blu-ray far quicker than they ever did into DVD! I bet you posted the same rubbish when VHS was being replaced by a superior format!

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  • 29 SatsumoNo Gravatar // Nov 4, 2008 at 7:08 am

    Looks like the editor has gotten all the fanboys riled because he commited the cardinal sin – he voiced his opinion.

    I am constantly looking for an “excuse” to buy a PS3 but am put off by buying what COULD be failed technology (i.e. Bluray)…hence end up paying for something I will not used. I’m not anti-Sony but I just dont see the long term benefit of Bluray when downloading HD will I think become the norm.

    Big IT firms, MS and Google are investing heavily on cloud based OSs because they believe that the infrastructure is being put in place for people to connect to the internet at a decent bandwidth.

    I only have an 8mb broadband link – which I think is pretty standard (especially in the UK) – and I can start watching a HD movie in a matter of 5-10 minutes via download (it continues to download as I watch it). (How long does it take to find your disc in your Bluray collection and load it? – pretty similar timescales I reckon).

    How long before bluray becomes dominant (over DVD)? Assuming a (generous/kind) 10% share as of today then at least 1 year…most likely 2 or 3 years – that’s more time for downloads to get established. Why download instead of buy bluray? Price – Bluray disc are too expensive by a long way – DVD’s took a few years to come down in price (and it had no competition)…Bluray doesn’t have the luxury of time.

    That is my OPINION:

    Now you can either be immature and slag me off for daring to question bluray’s future, or you can consider what I’ve said in a mature and sensible way and come back with a measured and constructive response.

  • 30 StevenNo Gravatar // Nov 4, 2008 at 9:07 am

    @Darkie
    While I agree that releasing players not upgradable is a bad idea and making changes to the spec after released is not such a great idea either.

    However Sony didn’t hide the fact the players were not upgradeable I know because I have done my research on them as I wanted to see if my PS3 was an obsolete Blu-ray player (Which it STILL is not out dated) Thank you Sony!

    I still fully support Blu-ray because lets face it, if the consumer actually did some research the PS3 would have been the logical Blu-ray player choice as I have NEVER had an issues with a Blu-ray all the way up to BD-Live 2.0.

    The technology works across the board, for backing up data, watching movies and, playing games.
    Sound to me like your friends are trying to be early adopters not knowing what being an early adopter means and certainly not doing any research.
    However I don’t condone releasing half done products to be updated later, or not at all.

    Personally the PS3 is a reasonable price to me and works beyond great! Mine runs 24/7 either folding@home, gaming, up-scaling a DVD, or watching a Blu-ray.

    As I stated above Blu-ray was built from the ground up and nothing built from scratch comes perfect out of the gate so there are a few glitches/bugs we had to endure but Blu-ray is here to stay and it is the tech for the future. Not only for consumers but across the board for professional media, and data storage. The great unifier! (Maybe great unifer is a bit much but you understand what I mean)

    @Maximus
    Interesting article the part about space is wrong as Blu-ray is capable to higher disc capacities.
    This 1920p stuff confuses me though as per the resolutions diagram, the only 1920p on there is in the 1080p resolution and the other resolutions are clearly higher than 1920p. Studios are starting to use the Red 4K cameras and other ultra high definition cameras.
    I don’t personally see this thing taking off as Blu-ray already has a strong hold and it will serve more to confuse the general public more than it already is about HD. Also a little off topic but with that kind of anti-piracy measures they won’t sell at all until people can copy them.
    That’s why DVD is so huge because everyday Joe’s can copy a DVD just as they did with VHS.

    As Doughboy said, I will be on my couch enjoying my PS3 and Blu-ray!

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  • 32 PRTECH@YAHOONo Gravatar // Nov 4, 2008 at 11:55 am

    Wow thanks for letting us know what validates our console, specially when its comeing from someone who doesnt seem to have any proof.

    Now that you have ran your name through the mud, you have been put into the biased, doesnt have any kind of proof, just read this of his friends website blog, so next time i see a article by you im passing.

    Try not being some pawn, and report on things from a non biased view. We cant have anyone just make a website and type what they think is right, whatever though you still couldnt even answer the people here. You just typed out silly off topic comments, which leads me to believe you do not know what your doing.

  • 33 Derrick SchommerNo Gravatar // Nov 4, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    Run my name through the mud? Silly boy. The vocal minority whining at me really doesn’t bother me all that much. After awhile, you get used to realizing that 80% of the people that are going to post on something they don’t like are going to accuse you of stuff and call you names.

    Why don’t I reply? I posted the text, posted the links to the text and gave my opinion. I don’t get into “he said” “she said” battles in comments because, based on your opinion going into the comment there isn’t anything I can to change your mind anyway; this is something you learn after awhile writing on the Internet. It’s part of the territory.

    Of course, I’m not expecting any responses from you because you’ll be passing by and never returning.

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